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Caged System
Topic Started: May 9 2009, 11:43 AM (425 Views)
glynb	May 9 2009, 11:43 AM Post #1
Member Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #9,040 Joined: December 2, 2008	Hi I am trying to get my head around the caged system. Am I getting it right. Is it the system we use for using open cord shapes (c,a,g,e & d) further up the neck? meaning we can use a D shaped chord to play an f chord etc ect. Or is there more to it than that. I have seen metioned that it helps with solos/lead guitar,I havent got that bit sussed yet. Or have I got it all wrong and caged means something completely different. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Glynb
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Rampant	May 9 2009, 07:04 PM Post #2
Immortal (well, ...so far!) Posts: 403 Group: Top Contributor! Member #8,896 Joined: October 7, 2008	Hi matey Can't answer your question, but want to say that I'd like to know what this CAGED system is all about. I've seen it metioned several times and haven't got a clue what it means... So someone please put us out of our misery and spill the proverbial beans for us Cheerz Mark H
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voodoorider	May 9 2009, 08:12 PM Post #3
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Ok to save complicating matters with a half baked explanation from me this is a pretty useful explanation i just found on google! http://www.cagedguitarsystem.net/
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glynb	May 10 2009, 10:47 AM Post #4
Member Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #9,040 Joined: December 2, 2008	Thanks voodoorider Have read that throigh once (will probabaly have to read it a few times before it sinks in ) Will come back when I think I have the theory of it sussed. (see you in 6 months!!!!) Glynb
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voodoorider	May 10 2009, 05:10 PM Post #5
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	lol you should get your head around the way the chords work pretty quick
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monwobobbo	May 10 2009, 08:47 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,032 Group: Moderator Member #8,625 Joined: June 23, 2008	interesting take on theory. just for the record all chord shapes are moveable so yeah you can move them around and get other chords.
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Rampant	May 11 2009, 09:49 AM Post #7
Immortal (well, ...so far!) Posts: 403 Group: Top Contributor! Member #8,896 Joined: October 7, 2008	Wow Just had a look at that link and the theory struck me as both quite simple yet startling. I'm not so sure I want to start barring C or G chords yet, though....
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monwobobbo	May 11 2009, 12:38 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,032 Group: Moderator Member #8,625 Joined: June 23, 2008	you don't necessarily have to barre those chords just move them up and ddwon the neck and yo will get different chords. as long as you know hwat notes make up a chord you'l be able to identify what chord you are hitting.
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glynb	May 11 2009, 01:43 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #9,040 Joined: December 2, 2008	I think I get the chord part of the caged system when it comes to moving the chords ie playing an A shaped chord at fret 3 gives a C chord (5th string root note) and playing an E minor shaped chord at the 4th fret gives a G sharp minor chord (6th string root). But how does this relate to playing lead?
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voodoorider	May 11 2009, 04:43 PM Post #10
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Glyn it relates in a similar way, but your knowledge of the notes on the fretboard needs to be much more advanced :/ It's unfortunately a case of knowing what notes are where at a seconds thought. It's daunting to think you have to learn it all to understand why it works and how it fits together, but once you have the E and A string off by heart the D and G string become very easy to work out pretty quickly using the octave (2 strings down, 2 frets forward = the same note! But it changes on the B string as it's a semitone different tuning) so the E A D G and then of course the small E are not so bad, it's only really the B string you have to learn slightly differently! I'd learn one string at a time until you are happy and then move onto the next! And you'll pick it up more quickly than you might think, however, it can be a bit boring :p Just another point, you don't NEED to know any of this stuff, a lot of people can play plenty well with a few scales and a good chord base without knowing how they fit together, the advantage of knowing all this is knowing which scales will work with each other against a certain chord and how. So it gives you the ability to know where to go to get the sound you want and expand rather than be a bit limited by sticking to set scales in 1 position. I'm a long way from understanding how all chords/scales/arpeggios/modes work together, but i have a fair understanding of out of the box notes and how to mix modes and scales in and out of one another and where i can use an arpeggio for example! It's nice to be able to do that too, but takes a lot of thinking! I hope that helps, and if you are unclear about anything in particular just ask again even if you think you're repeating yourself, if you don't get it one way, you need it explained in another as all people are different Edited by voodoorider, May 11 2009, 04:47 PM.
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glynb	May 12 2009, 02:31 PM Post #11
Member Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #9,040 Joined: December 2, 2008	Thanks voodoorider I have just about got he notes sorted for the E strings and the A string.Have been working on the D & G strings but like you say the B is a bit harder. So when I have this off by heart I could change positions/shapes with the chord changes when playing lead. Is that right? monwobobbo thanks for the help. Hope things work out ok for you.
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Rampant	May 12 2009, 04:04 PM Post #12
Immortal (well, ...so far!) Posts: 403 Group: Top Contributor! Member #8,896 Joined: October 7, 2008	I've been digging into this too, so here's my interpretation and understanding so far... The CAGED system shows that any chord can be played at or close to any fret on the fretboard just by utilising different shapes of barre chord. So at for example fret 5 there is E shaped barre chord of A and A shaped barre chord of D - the 2 main styles of barre chord! There are also the C shaped F chord, G shaped C# chord and D shaped G# chord. (I hope that is true, or else I'm barking up entirely the wrong tree...) If this knowledge is combined with the knowledge of which notes make up any particular chord then it is much easier to visualise which lead notes could be chosen to superimpose over a rhythm chord to compliment the chord in harmony... (or which notes would resonate with tension, etc...) Using the CAGED system I think ultimately helps you chose lead notes without being forced to wander up and down the fretboard. Someone help - is this correct???
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voodoorider	May 12 2009, 06:53 PM Post #13
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Glyn yes thats essentialy right! Although it's not always individual chords you move with (Jazz soloing is awesome for learning to change scales with chords) Scales will also work over a certain pattern of chords so there is no need to change the scale itself although you can change the position so you cover more of the fretboard, BUT sometimes a chord crops up that doesn't fit that well which is where knowing the notes in it/which scales work best over it will help you to harmonize with it better! Rampant... give me a bit to check through all that and I'll get back later
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