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The easiest way to record to PC?
Topic Started: Dec 16 2008, 11:42 PM (696 Views)
voodoorider	Dec 16 2008, 11:42 PM Post #1
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Ok.. for years and years i have tried all sorts of cheap and nasty sellotape and blu-tac ways of recording my guitar playing! I had a web cam which was fine! It broke and the one i have now has a crap microphone! So I'm after anyone who records to their PC, maybe through a Line 6 Guitar Port?? Into what software?? I'd like something that can provide a backing track either that i can load into the program or at least create drums and play bass rhythm and lead myself?? I have seen a program called Riff Tracker which comes with the Guitar Port but has anyone used it?? Will on board sound on my Pc be Ok (it's a good PC)?? What sorts of weird and wonderful files might i come across (i had audacity to transfer recordings from a digital studio to my PC but the PC didn't recognize the files then it would only play one out of the 8 i uploaded and it was just a pain in the arse! So yeah, I'm basically after the easiest way to make decent recordings onto my PC! Money isn't really an issue but I'd like to think i could do it for less than Ł150 ?? Edited by voodoorider, Dec 16 2008, 11:43 PM.
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


monwobobbo	Dec 17 2008, 02:32 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,032 Group: Moderator Member #8,625 Joined: June 23, 2008	my brother records his stuff to computer and does it on the cheap. you can check online for freeware and will find things that work. these are often basic versions of software that can be bought. i'll rummage thru my emails to see what he's using (he lives in china so i don't talk to him much.) i think the most he spent was $100 on a program. i have a digital 8-track and am learning (very slowly) how to use it. i know i have to download a program from Zoom to use for putting the stuff on a computer.
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voodoorider	Dec 17 2008, 11:05 AM Post #3
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Cool thanks matey, i have the Zoom PS-04 which is a digital 4 track.. the one i had the file compatibility trouble with! Audacity is the program they use, i guess you'll have to use the same? Let me know how you get on with that, as i couldn't work it out for love nor money
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


monwobobbo	Dec 17 2008, 03:17 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,032 Group: Moderator Member #8,625 Joined: June 23, 2008	i don't know if mine uses the same program but i wouldn't be suprised. of course i'm still trying to figure out how to do more than a basic track. tried to get a microphone to work with it and couldn't. wish they included a soundman with every unit
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voodoorider	Jan 2 2009, 07:09 AM Post #5
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Just wanted to bump this thread for people to see again in case of a new outlook, i think i've decided on a Toneport UX1 but am now a little confused about how it connects to the PC (some people go Direct into the line in of the soundcard using DAW is it? Whatever that means?) But i thought it was USB? And the best software to use for mixing/recording guitar? Cakewalk/Guitar rig(is it compatible with Line 6?) etc etc.. Money is no object at all here due to todays handy torrent sites but a good AI drums which are easily programmable is important and the simpler the better! Edited by voodoorider, Jan 2 2009, 09:10 AM.
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


monwobobbo	Jan 2 2009, 02:48 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,032 Group: Moderator Member #8,625 Joined: June 23, 2008	i'll shot an email to my brother as he uses a bunch of stuff to record on his computer most either free or cheap. i'm pretty sure he goes the usb route. i'm guessing that yu'd have to have a pretty decent sound card and some know how to go that way.
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voodoorider	Jan 2 2009, 02:55 PM Post #7
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Well i'm not sure, it seems you only need a decent soundcard if you're going direct into the soundcard whereas with USB the interface unit itself i.e Toneport will do the sound processing for you and put it into the PC as it sounds through the Toneport, but i could be wrong, appreciate your help Monwo.
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


Leif	Jan 9 2009, 11:05 PM Post #8
Alex Posts: 213 Group: Members Member #9,065 Joined: December 14, 2008	Not sure if you are still interested in this but just incase anyone is here is some info from my knowledge as an IT Tech. Audiocity is mostly for simple mixing and DJs i wouldn't really use it for recording as it's mostly just for people who want to learn how to record and mix audio samples without spending the money on a good quality program. What about Guitar Rig? It a program that's been around for some time and is pretty popular, It's what i'm going to be using and i have a link to a think if you pm me. lol There is also the Studio Devil virtual amp software that is pretty easy to use for acoustic, electric, bass or whatever else, It's a easy to use but it's not got as many features as Guitar Rig so i wouldn't really recommend it for anything other than maybe personal recording. Here are some helpful links. ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Rig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_workstation http://www.studiodevil.com/products/ http://www.harmony-central.com/articles/reviews/studio_devil/ ------------------------ I have some more information/links for anyone who wants to know but i think it might be against the rules of this forum to state it here so pm me if you want more details. Hope this helps.
	Gear: Guitar - Ibanez GRG170DX Black Night Strings - Daddario 8.38 EXL Leads - Planet Waves 10ft Circuit Breaker, Pw Classic 10 channel stereo Lead Pedals/FX - Zoom 505, Marshall Drive Master Amp - Vox AD15VT-XL 15 Watt Recording - Line 6 POD Studio GX, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 5.25 bay Software - GR3, Fl Studio, AFT Pro, Pod Farm


voodoorider	Jan 10 2009, 05:16 AM Post #9
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	Is guitar rig compatible with line 6 gear? The impression i got from it is that it comes with a guitar rig kinda multi-fx processor board which is what it works against? Although reading your link on Wiki for it, it seems not! I'll PM you later Leif, cheers mate!
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


voodoorider	Jan 10 2009, 06:28 AM Post #10
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	I'm confused even more now after looking at the links XD So.. if i get a toneport.. it comes with gearbox (for getting your tones) and a lite version of ableton. So Guitar Rig and Studio Devil also appear to do the same job as the line 6 gearbox? So could you say, run your tones from line 6's gearbox and then use guitar rig to record and mix with, for example adding drums, or would that require another program? Or are Studio Devil and Guitar Rig just like gearbox for getting tones?
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


Leif	Jan 10 2009, 04:10 PM Post #11
Alex Posts: 213 Group: Members Member #9,065 Joined: December 14, 2008	Guitar rig 3 was designed for the Rig Kontrol pedal but you can get the XE version that will allow you to work without it and just use other devices if you want, Gearbox software is not needed at all ,you just need the input device. To use your current device you would just go into preferences and select the input device as the default sound card and you would be able to use it no problems, Depending on what system you are using there might be some slight latency but if you have a good system there should be little to none. It records your audio through a virtual amp/stack system and you can add like a couple of hundred effects to it and download more from the net. (Check the video links for an idea) It records to a wav file format witch you can use in guitar rig or in whatever other program you want, Guitar amp does not have a drum machine as standard unless you get the EZ Drummer plug witch it pretty cool, As standard guitar rig just allows you to add drum samples that have already been recorded and then you can loop them and do whatever you need from there. For drums personally i would pick EZ drummer if you want a simple virtual layout of the drum and percussion kits but if you want a more advance setup then it would be battery 3 made by the same company as guitar rig. If it's an all in one studio you are looking for then i would just use something like your line 6 to record into guitar Rig with ez drummer on drums and then use guitar rig to mix and master as you see fit. If you want the best options for mastering then FL studio is amazing, I've used it a little and i love it. If you need help getting any of these programs then pm me. http://www.dawsons.co.uk/acatalog/info_00065007.html http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=rig3details&L=1 http://www.dawsons.co.uk/acatalog/Native_Instruments_Computer_Software.html#a00065007 http://www.dawsons.co.uk/acatalog/info_00058330.html http://flstudio.image-line.com/ Also some cool guitar Rig and fl studio videos. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FHWer4AnYGY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9LXNRvgW4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dRznxYzrMKY http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6uiYEgLs_Jo ------------------- Hope this helps.
	Gear: Guitar - Ibanez GRG170DX Black Night Strings - Daddario 8.38 EXL Leads - Planet Waves 10ft Circuit Breaker, Pw Classic 10 channel stereo Lead Pedals/FX - Zoom 505, Marshall Drive Master Amp - Vox AD15VT-XL 15 Watt Recording - Line 6 POD Studio GX, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 5.25 bay Software - GR3, Fl Studio, AFT Pro, Pod Farm


voodoorider	Jan 10 2009, 06:59 PM Post #12
Garry Posts: 673 Group: Members Member #8,964 Joined: November 3, 2008	So if i get a tone port, get guitar rig.. then use guitar rig in the same way i'd use gearbox.. ORRRR.. use gearbox instead of guitar rig (whatever) and i can use guitar rig to mix my music, snip out samples to loop and all that regular mixing stuff, and for the EZ drummer is it a separate app from which you import the drums into guitar rig? Or does EZ drummer run on the guitar rig software like an add on? Thanks Leif you are being most helpful Edited by voodoorider, Jan 10 2009, 07:00 PM.
	Guitars: PRS CU 22 R/W neck \| Organic Classic \| Heritage H-150 \| Fender Eric Clapton Strat \| Fender Deluxe Ash strat, scalloped \| 2001 USA std Telecaster \| 2008 USA std Telecaster \| 1996 Gibson Les Paul standard \| PRS Santana SE \| Maverick X1 \| Epiphone SG \| Freshman FA400J Amps: Orange Rockerverb 50 \| Mesa Boogie Electradyne \| Traynor YCV40T \| VOX AD60VT \| Fender Pro 185 \| Zoom Fire 15


Leif	Jan 10 2009, 08:16 PM Post #13
Alex Posts: 213 Group: Members Member #9,065 Joined: December 14, 2008	Yeah ez drummer is just an addon/plugin for guitar rig 3 or 3 ex. You can use gearbox if you wish but i just don't see why, It is the same as guitar rig only with less features and you can do whatever you would do with gearbox in guitar rig. Up to you. All you need is the input device to connect the guitar to the pc, the pc drivers that come with it and the guitar rig software and your ready to go. ;D When you install the drivers for the guitar input device it creates another audio input device in your system. When you install Guitar Rig it will ask you what input device you want to record from and you would just select your guitars. Then set up your virtual amp or whatever and hit record, Play something then hit stop. Your recording now will appear on screen as an editable wave file and from there you can cut, copy, paste and edit the tone or tempo of it or whatever. When your done with that you can save it and import it into any other audio editing software or you can continue to work in your composition by opening the ez drummer plugin and playing with the virtual layout of drum and percussion instruments on screen. That can be saved as a separate wav file or it can be mixed with the original guitars wav file, whatever. Put simply you can record, mix and loop your guitar with drums, add bass and vocals and pretty much make a fully complete song. For me i like using FL studio to do my drums and everything else but if you are just looking for an all in one kinda thing then guitar rig is the way to go. I hear from my friend studying music production or whatever that the line 6 accessories are not so hot, He says he used the Line 6 Guitarport and it was horrible so i don't know if you want that but it's up to you, As ling as you get guitar rig then you will be able to use almost any device. I believe that the gearbox software is made by line 6 so i am not to sure if you could use the gearbox software with another input device like Guitar rig. I am looking myself and that is why i am so interested in this topic, I've done a lot of research and have been doing some dj stuff in Fl studio for a while now. So far i'm not to sure what input device is best for my wallet but the main item that peaks my interest is this. http://www.musiconmypc.co.uk/maudio-fast-track-usb-guitar-vocal-recording-audio-interface-p-244.html It's pretty simple but it offers more than just the standard guitar imput and is much easier on the wallet, I will be going to a guitar shop soon and will ask around then to find what is the best. Here are some expert reviews and tutorials for you if you want to know more about what your options are. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Dec02/articles/recordingguitars.asp http://www.musiconmypc.co.uk/art_record_guitar_on_pc.php I'll pm you. ;D Peace.
	Gear: Guitar - Ibanez GRG170DX Black Night Strings - Daddario 8.38 EXL Leads - Planet Waves 10ft Circuit Breaker, Pw Classic 10 channel stereo Lead Pedals/FX - Zoom 505, Marshall Drive Master Amp - Vox AD15VT-XL 15 Watt Recording - Line 6 POD Studio GX, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 5.25 bay Software - GR3, Fl Studio, AFT Pro, Pod Farm


Leif	Jan 10 2009, 08:25 PM Post #14
Alex Posts: 213 Group: Members Member #9,065 Joined: December 14, 2008	To record audio you do not need a great sound card, I have 2 systems at the moment one of witch has an old 2.0 stereo sound card and the other had a HD 7.1 EAX 2.0 surround sound card and the both offer pretty much the same quality when it comes to recording from an input device. The only thing is that if you want to record music in anything more than stereo then you will most likely need a good sound card. Don't be fooled people selling high priced sound cards, A good card should not cost you any more than 30 GBP or 40 USD. Usb or direct line in input or whatever are pretty much the same it just depends on your preference. Mac users might want to use usb and pc users line-in.
	Gear: Guitar - Ibanez GRG170DX Black Night Strings - Daddario 8.38 EXL Leads - Planet Waves 10ft Circuit Breaker, Pw Classic 10 channel stereo Lead Pedals/FX - Zoom 505, Marshall Drive Master Amp - Vox AD15VT-XL 15 Watt Recording - Line 6 POD Studio GX, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 5.25 bay Software - GR3, Fl Studio, AFT Pro, Pod Farm


roast	Jan 11 2009, 07:49 PM Post #15
Board Lord Posts: 1,965 Group: Co-Admin Member #59 Joined: September 2, 2006	^Merge your posts please, no double-posts. EZ Drummer is not an expansion for Guitar Rig....its just a VSTi.


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